CUNNING STUNT
on relationships

(Ruby) And what do you think that your relationship is to Cunning?
(Cunning) Oh, I like to call him the man that takes all of my money and space in my apartment. 

(Ruby) I've heard that from other performers too.
(Cunning) Yeah, he really, he does not pay, I mean he does pay rent.

But he takes up a lot of my time and money and he dresses far better than I do. And, yeah, we are definitely not the same person. It's not like, some people I think, they think their drag is like an extension of themselves.

And I think that Cunning is for sure a character that I play. 

(Ruby) Is it disconnected or is there elements of that?
(Cunning) Maybe elements of myself. Yeah. But not, yeah. 

(Ruby) Has performing as Cunning changed how you are outside of drag?
(Cunning) It's changed my social life quite a bit for sure. So, in that way, yes. Drag is like my entire social life.

Everything revolves around it. So, that has definitely changed my life out of drag. But, are you asking if it's made me more confident or?

(Ruby) Yeah, like if it's changed how you…?
(Cunning) Not really. No, I was always really loud and confident and annoying.